LFR8 – Game 40 – No Cuts – Tor 1, Wpg 5

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  • I say we box up our Leaf gear and take sometime away for a healthy restart. When they make those big trades and when they present a team worth calling our own then we come back.
    I say we turn to junior hockey. The OHL is fast and exciting. I live near London so I have the Knights to follow. You Steve you have the Generals. Enjoy hockey and hopefully one day you’ll be able to comeback and laugh about these times. Many teams in many different sports have done this to people across the world. There will be a time for us, but it won’t be in the near future.

  • keep carlyle until we miss the playoffs again, get a top 10 pick & pray to every god known to humankind that we miraculously get the lottery pick & draft mcdavid. just keep tanking & fire carlyle after the season is officially dead. get rid of these boat anchor contracts somehow & resign kadri, reason & bernier. try your best to keep santorelli/winnik. get rid of bozak & lupul. try to move phaneuf to keep franson & look for a solid d-man to take his minutes for a bit cheaper if possible. just pray we get mcdavid. we deserve it after an eternity of torture in hell.

  • Wow! That was depressing. I know I’m on the outside looking in, but I don’t see things as that bad. They’re certainly not good, but I don’t believe it’s time to blow it up. Regardless, Steve I love you videos and have for 7 years now. If mrs. Dangle is still looking for away games for the Leafs, Tampa is the place to go. Cheers.

  • Steve, they are our nightmare. And we cannot wake up from it. I feel for ya on this video. I took this year to try to ignore the leafs, kick them cold turkey and after that ten game run in December, it felt like I relapsed on them. Shame on me for beLIEving again, watching them. I feel ya Steve. I have to try kick the habit before I get kicked again.

    At least the Raptors are killing it. Maybe a RFR line of videos is in the cards to save your sanity.

    There’s always hope for the Jays to make it to the playoffs in 2015!

    I’m out of ideas too

  • Kanuunankuula

    Honestly this should be shown to people in charge of the Leafs organisation. I think this how a lot of fans feel, and this not how you should treat your fanbase. It so incredibly sad that they do this to us. And we allow them.

  • jimithy

    There are too many passengers on the gravy train. God help anybody who’d kick Fletcher to the curb. The brainiacs sitting up in the gondola peering down at their monster are wearing the finest apparel you bought them for doing a job they don’t know how to do. ‘Give us another chance’ is the slogan on their calling card,’Thank you suckers’ is on the other side. The leafs have to reinvent themselves. The current group fit perfectly into the blueprint of the sorry past. Reinventing the Leafs will need creative personnel. But, there are to many passengers on the gravy train to stop them now. There is one consolation though, their next game is on Wednesday.

  • May_Day

    Take a deep breath.

    The Leafs are far from the level of the Chicago Cubs who haven’t won a word series since 1907. The Cubs haven’t won a pennant since the curse of 45.

    So far, the Leafs are pretty much what I thought they would be: a talented, lazy team that doesn’t play good defense. They are likely a wildcard team. They have the talent to play against the elite of the league when those teams play a run and gun, talent show game. When a team plays a great defensive game and that team has some size, the Leafs get beat. That last phase describes Winnipeg well.

    Winnipeg plays good defense and they are better and bigger than most people thought. Dustin Byfuglien is playing some of the best hockey games of his career and its making up for the lost players on Winnipeg. Had Kessel and/or JVR had the best games of their careers it might have been closer, but Byfuglien is a rare creature in the class of Chara and if you watch Winnipeg you know he shows up less often than Phil Kessel.

    My lesson from last night is about Kadri. He was so noticeably missing. When he plays how often do you say, “I didn’t notice Kadri?” For me, almost never.

    I think the Leafs biggest mistake would be to overpay for Franson and be forced to trade Kadri. Get Kadri locked up first.

  • Fire Carlyle and Nonis. I truly believe that Shanahan as a GM (and maybe a little bit Dubas) can turn this team around. It’ll take some time, hopefully they don’t mess up by not re-signing or trading key guys.

  • Leafs63

    Hahaha. I have been a Leaf fan since 1963. I tried other teams a few times, but nobody holds my heart like the Leafs. My heart leaks blue, it has been stabbed so many times. So buck up! You all can suffer many more years before you come close to my suffering.

  • CMpuck

    I’ve only been saying this all year…

    What do I do? Bad teams dismantle and tank, what happens when a kinda good team does it? Leafs have pieces like we did when Sundin was a huge dingus and rallied the Muskoka Five to stay the course.

    Imagine if Fletcher could have dismantled that team and we got Carter + 1st, Clowe when he was good, what Sundin would have brought back ect… We can do that now because their isn’t NTCs.

    I don’t hate Kadri or Franson ect… I hate that fans willfully ignore the misery that if we simply resign/extended what we have will continue to be irrelevant.

    What’s the hope in a evaluation year when we already know the end?

  • CMpuck

    your video reminds me of colonel kurtz soliloquie in apocalypse now

    “I’ve seen horrors… horrors that you’ve seen. But you have no right to call me a Habs fan. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that… but you have no right to judge me. It’s impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what being a Leafs fan means. Horror. Horror has a face… and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies……And I remember… I… I… I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized… like I was shot… like I was shot with a diamond… a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God… the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men… trained hockey players. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love… but they had the strength… the strength… to do that
    …You have to have men who are moral… and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to score without feeling… without passion… without judgment… without judgment. Because it’s judgment that defeats us.”

  • Jeremy Ian

    Steve the perfect antidote is coming back to town on Thursday at the Air Canada center. Yesiree Stevo you can get a shot of the exciting, entertaining, first place, playoff bound Toronto Raptors.

    Imagine that Steve a Toronto team playoff bound. Do not be afraid Steve come down from way up their in the balcony, take that walk of committing to following a winning team. Do it tonight Steve. You need that antidote as look how depressed you are.

    We have councillors willing to chat with you give you reading material about why the Raptors are winners, because they have a great FREAKING COACH and the G. M. OF THE YEAR, THAT’S WHY.

    Steve you will not be alone, 20,000 SCREAMING WINNING FANS WILL BE THERE WITH YOU STEVE. No more losing, no more puking over the leafs. No more need to hit that bottle. Steve make that committment this evening.

    You will be in the light Steve, never in the darkest of all places, watching the leafs crap their drawers night after night.

    I know you will make that change in your life right now Steve. Thank you for having the courage Steve.

    By taking this step you are no longer a LOSER BUT A WINNER A TORONTO RAPTOR WINNER. WE THE NORTH.

  • Jeremy Ian

    Hey Steve — I took a couple of days off for cheap therapy.

    Our syndrome is called “Intermittent Reinforcement” on an variable schedule? What??? Yeah, it’s what we Leaf fans suffer from.

    Here’s the theory: IR is when you you get just enough of a positive hit to stay loyal but are overwhelmed by negatives. You don’t break the cycle because you are reinforced just enough but not continuously (hence: intermittently) for your faith in the team.

    It becomes an especially pernicious trap because you get locked into a justifying cycle for your faith. You believe in your own stories; you are invested in them (after all, who wants to invest in a story they don’t believe in?). As you say….Oh, Burke, oh, Kessel, oh, Phaneuf…. At each point a story adds up. So: we believe the stories about the imminent turnaround.

    Believing our stories attunes us to the reinforcements and makes us tolerate the mounting negatives. It’s what makes abuse sustainable.

    Leafs fans are like a social psychology lab experiment that won’t end.

    Breaking the IR cycle is surprisingly hard. You have to give up your story, be prepared to not have one. At least for a while. Giving up the story means that we are less invested in what we once believed in. We don’t do this because not having a story is horrible. It means rejecting that which we once believed in; admitting we were wrong, duped, gullible, sucked in by hope…. It does not feel like liberation at all; at first, it feels self-incriminating.

    I have a broader concern about management reaction right now. We are in the domain of losses. No question. It is very tempting to take big risks in order to break the IR and fasten on a new story. This would be a mistake.

    Shanahan: Think strategically! (and give us a break!)

  • Jeremy Ian

    Apathy is what I’m seeing now with myself. Having the game on and barely watching as I find other things more interesting to do. We wouldn’t keep people in our life who make us as angry, as frustrated or a sad and yet here we are–the Leaf fans. We older folks can’t change, it’s a part of our identity. I was a Leafs fan before I was a hockey fan, if that makes sense.

    What I’d Do: Shock us– to wake us up and make us feel something other than utter frustration for this team again.

    Fire Carlyle–His failed systems, his roster decisions, his inability to use improved depth to any benefit, his refusal to take any blame on himself for anything, his stubborn refusal to change methods that don’t work,…We’ve seen it all before in Anaheim. He has no answers.

    Fire Nonis–We’ve needed the same two or three pieces for years and we are no closer to getting them. He and Loiselle created a cap nightmare that will take years to fix. He constantly contradicts himself. I agree with many that he could be replaced with a potato-at least it would be honest. Why is he still here?
    (I’d wouldn’t mind stealing Blake from Detroit, who is learning under Holland.)

    Re-evaluate the team under a new coach. The team may not be better under a different coach but they won’t be any worse than they are under Randy. At least some questions may be answered. If Shanahan has someone in mind who’s not yet available, give Horachuk a chance.

    Change how the core is used. Both Wilson and Carlyle refused to do anything different with the 1st line. There are options now with Santorelli as the center (he makes everyone around him better) or Kadri-though I’d like to see him continue on the path he’s on.I’m impressed with him but I don’t think he’s ready to take on the heavy load of defensive responsibilities on the 1st line.

    Move a few contracts if possible, including core if necessary, to free cap space and acquire an extra pick or two for the 2015 draft, which looks to be deep.

  • Jeremy Ian

    Well, that summed up being a Leafs fan quite depressingly (ahem, accurately). The problem is that the problems keep being compounded. How many coaches have the Leafs gone through in 10 years? I mean, certainly they weren’t the problem, but they are the easiest thing to change. Also GMs. John Ferguson Jr. crippled the team for a very, very long time by trading assets, and Burke made a trade the lots more picks (but, be honest with yourself, the day that trade for Kessel was made, it was exciting, and there was hope, and it looked good… until they tanked, tanked HARD, and got the 2nd overall.. to Boston. It goes almost any other way, and it’s a good trade.) But, in that same breath, Burke worked like mad to stock the cupboards with prospects.

    Bottom line though, is that the overpaid core of the team is not one that’s going to win. Phaneuf takes a lot of flack, but he’s not the problem. The problem is that it’s Phaneuf & Company. He played with prospects for a long time before getting an even semi-decent partner. Kessel is what he is, and he’s an amazing scorer, but he’s not going to throw the team on his shoulders and outcompete anyone. We have a core of good players, just not good for this team. Individually, I’m sure they could go to another team and absolutely light it up and make that other team better. But on the Leafs, they just aren’t a good fit.

  • TGT23

    There is a rumour going around that Shanny floated the idea to Kessel about playing LW and Kessel said no. Wouldn’t surprise me if it were true. Kessel being the guy who didn’t want to learn a new breakout play.

    So, here is what I would do.

    The Leafs brass seems to believe that scratching Gardiner is going to help him… So, I’d apply this to Kessel. I’d scratch Kessel. I’d say “you do not run this team. Buy in or we’ll make your life hell”.

    And then I’d tell him of his future. “We own you for X number of years.” and then map out a future where he plays on the 3rd line with Clarkson and Komorov.

    You make him understand that if he won’t play defense or a team game on the top line he’ll play on the 3rd line with players who DO play defense and cycle the puck. Say what you will about Clarkson, the guy buys into his role and gives honest effort every night.

    And you explain to him he now lives as a 3rd liner so he doesn’t get the protection he used to. So, he’ll be made available to the media after every game, like a good role player is, and will be fined if he doesn’t do interviews after EVERY game.

    NOTE: it should be mentioned I hated the idea of fining for not doing interviews in the NFL with Lynch but in this case we’re punishing Kessel. He wants $8M? Earn it on and off the ice.

    That’s where I start. By making it known to Phil and everyone else that they will be held accountable. His contract doesn’t make him above the team. And if he isn’t safe, NO ONE is safe.

    Next, I do the same stuff we’ve been screaming for all season. Kadri to the top line with JVR and Winnik or Santo, Bozak becomes the #2 with Lupul, when he’s healthy, and Santo or Winnik. I’d look for a way to trade Bozy and maybe Clarkson if there’s a move to be made that brings back something. Bring up Percy. So on and so forth. Oh, and fire Carlyle and Nonis, if only to just get it over with.

  • jasken

    Kadri being traded is laughable he is not going anywhere.

    Would it surprise people here to know the Leafs of 92-93 actually went 4-11-2 from Nov 16/92- dec 26/92 that was a conference final team and even they had this problem. So what can you really say it happens.

    Now what I would do is tell my team I want 1 game of 100% effort at 200 ft of hockey if there is a player in the room who cant give me that dont come out to the ice. If you come out there and dont give me 200 ft I will put you in the press box next game. I dont care who you are your either for the team or yourself and if your for yourself I dont want you on the ice.

  • Enh, do what I’ve done for years when it gets too bad – pick one or two players on the team and cheer for them only. As long as Uncle Leo has a good game, I have a good game.

    I remember in the 80’s when my dad, my brother and I would dance around the living room when the Leafs executed a line change on the fly with no serious injuries.

    Steve-o, maybe it’s time to take a break and bring in a guest host. Since Joan Rivers isn’t available, I’ll throw my hat in the ring.